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		<title>Comment on Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: The Reverse Phone Screen by Big list of FAQ for programmers from Reddit Programming: I&#8217;m job interviewing and need a bunch of resources &#171; Salt in Your Coffee</title>
		<link>http://www.martincmartin.com/blog/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-1990</link>
		<dc:creator>Big list of FAQ for programmers from Reddit Programming: I&#8217;m job interviewing and need a bunch of resources &#171; Salt in Your Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reverse phone interviews (interviewing your interviewer) http://www.martincmartin.com/blog/?p=144 [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: Recruiters by Martin C. Martin &#187; Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: Negotiating An Offer</title>
		<link>http://www.martincmartin.com/blog/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-1955</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin C. Martin &#187; Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: Negotiating An Offer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an offer from another company. This is part of why you can&#8217;t just let a recruiter do the whole search for you, they&#8217;ll only get an offer from a single company. When another [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Finding a Job You&#8217;ll Love: The Interview by Ghalib Suleiman</title>
		<link>http://www.martincmartin.com/blog/?p=149&#038;cpage=1#comment-1954</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghalib Suleiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent series. Thanks for taking the time to write it.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: The Reverse Phone Screen by martin</title>
		<link>http://www.martincmartin.com/blog/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-1911</link>
		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maintenance Man, for me it's not just whether you use Agile, but more about, are you smart about what you promise so you don't paint yourself in a corner?  Are you smart about how you motivate people to get the most out of them?

So not doing Agile is just the start of the conversation.  As long as you can say how you come up with schedules, how you promise things to customers, how you learn from mistakes, etc., it doesn't need to have a name.

At least that's for me; for others, I'm sure NOT having any process would make them happy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maintenance Man, for me it&#8217;s not just whether you use Agile, but more about, are you smart about what you promise so you don&#8217;t paint yourself in a corner?  Are you smart about how you motivate people to get the most out of them?</p>
<p>So not doing Agile is just the start of the conversation.  As long as you can say how you come up with schedules, how you promise things to customers, how you learn from mistakes, etc., it doesn&#8217;t need to have a name.</p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s for me; for others, I&#8217;m sure NOT having any process would make them happy!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: The Reverse Phone Screen by martin</title>
		<link>http://www.martincmartin.com/blog/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-1910</link>
		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Steve,

Yes, there's certainly a potential for that, and the questions above could certainly be improved.  Discussing specifics can help a bit, e.g. prefer "what happens when a 2 day task isn't done in 2 days?" to "what do you do when a project is late."

But it's still hard.  One thing you can get is a sense for what they think the "right" answer is.  In a startup, it's often "work like crazy, speed wins, we're alergic to process."  That will cloud the answers they give you, because they think it's the right way to run a startup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Steve,</p>
<p>Yes, there&#8217;s certainly a potential for that, and the questions above could certainly be improved.  Discussing specifics can help a bit, e.g. prefer &#8220;what happens when a 2 day task isn&#8217;t done in 2 days?&#8221; to &#8220;what do you do when a project is late.&#8221;</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s still hard.  One thing you can get is a sense for what they think the &#8220;right&#8221; answer is.  In a startup, it&#8217;s often &#8220;work like crazy, speed wins, we&#8217;re alergic to process.&#8221;  That will cloud the answers they give you, because they think it&#8217;s the right way to run a startup.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: The Reverse Phone Screen by Maintenance Man</title>
		<link>http://www.martincmartin.com/blog/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-1883</link>
		<dc:creator>Maintenance Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the past year I have interviewed a lot of folks. We hired two. If somebody gave me a call back and asked whether we use Agile practices, I would have to confess that we don't. Now I wonder whether that would disqualify us from hiring the good ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the past year I have interviewed a lot of folks. We hired two. If somebody gave me a call back and asked whether we use Agile practices, I would have to confess that we don&#8217;t. Now I wonder whether that would disqualify us from hiring the good ones.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: The Reverse Phone Screen by Steve Laniel</title>
		<link>http://www.martincmartin.com/blog/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-1877</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Laniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent list! The only thing I'd note is that the reverse phone screen is subject to reverse bullshitting. Let's look at the bullshitting involved in a "forward" interview: you'll sometimes get, "Name for me a time when you faced a conflict at work. What did you do?"

Now, everyone knows the game that's being played here. Potential employees are expected to give an answer like, "Well, X happened, AND THAT WAS BAD. But then I used my MASSIVE LEADERSHIP SKILLS to solve the problem, so it ALL WORKED OUT FINE IN THE END." It's such a game with such well-known answers that I hope no one asks it anymore.

We're lucky in software: we can ask applicants to solve actual coding problems. It's not a panacea, but answers are harder to fake than the standard HR question. I was recently asked to debug a problem: "Recently, here at [company X], I ran into a problem that looked like this. How would you start debugging it?" I reply, "Well, I'd look at Y." He replies, "I did that. Turns out Y was not the problem." And so forth. Hard to fake.

I'm concerned that management knows all the things they're supposed to say. "We're into agile development." "We believe in transparency in all things." "All that matters to us is that you get your work done." *Sometimes* you can see that they're lying -- e.g., your example of the manager who didn't understand what "agile" meant. In general, that's an example to me of what interviews -- forward or reverse -- are really good for: filtering OUT people who don't know what they're talking about, rather than filtering IN good candidates.

I am extraordinarily happy with my current company. I knew right away, as soon as I walked in the door, that it was a great place: there was a lot of *energy* in the room; it was buzzing. Contrast this with a former job: a very experienced, brilliant software developer toured the building with me, and noticed that no one was happy. He took the measure of the place very quickly. And he was right. That same developer had taken a job some years before at a startup that was in stealth mode -- so stealthy that they couldn't even tell potential employees what they'd be working on. Under those circumstances, applicants had to judge the company entirely on the basis of how enjoyable their future coworkers and managers would be. Turns out that this company's managers were brilliant and fun and cool; my friend took the job and worked there for ten years.

I guess what I'm getting at is that, unfortunately for us, there may be no good quantitative or deterministic way to get a read on managers. As much as I hate to resort to gut instinct, there's a lot to be said for it in this case. Every other method seems easy to fake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent list! The only thing I&#8217;d note is that the reverse phone screen is subject to reverse bullshitting. Let&#8217;s look at the bullshitting involved in a &#8220;forward&#8221; interview: you&#8217;ll sometimes get, &#8220;Name for me a time when you faced a conflict at work. What did you do?&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, everyone knows the game that&#8217;s being played here. Potential employees are expected to give an answer like, &#8220;Well, X happened, AND THAT WAS BAD. But then I used my MASSIVE LEADERSHIP SKILLS to solve the problem, so it ALL WORKED OUT FINE IN THE END.&#8221; It&#8217;s such a game with such well-known answers that I hope no one asks it anymore.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re lucky in software: we can ask applicants to solve actual coding problems. It&#8217;s not a panacea, but answers are harder to fake than the standard HR question. I was recently asked to debug a problem: &#8220;Recently, here at [company X], I ran into a problem that looked like this. How would you start debugging it?&#8221; I reply, &#8220;Well, I&#8217;d look at Y.&#8221; He replies, &#8220;I did that. Turns out Y was not the problem.&#8221; And so forth. Hard to fake.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m concerned that management knows all the things they&#8217;re supposed to say. &#8220;We&#8217;re into agile development.&#8221; &#8220;We believe in transparency in all things.&#8221; &#8220;All that matters to us is that you get your work done.&#8221; *Sometimes* you can see that they&#8217;re lying &#8212; e.g., your example of the manager who didn&#8217;t understand what &#8220;agile&#8221; meant. In general, that&#8217;s an example to me of what interviews &#8212; forward or reverse &#8212; are really good for: filtering OUT people who don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re talking about, rather than filtering IN good candidates.</p>
<p>I am extraordinarily happy with my current company. I knew right away, as soon as I walked in the door, that it was a great place: there was a lot of *energy* in the room; it was buzzing. Contrast this with a former job: a very experienced, brilliant software developer toured the building with me, and noticed that no one was happy. He took the measure of the place very quickly. And he was right. That same developer had taken a job some years before at a startup that was in stealth mode &#8212; so stealthy that they couldn&#8217;t even tell potential employees what they&#8217;d be working on. Under those circumstances, applicants had to judge the company entirely on the basis of how enjoyable their future coworkers and managers would be. Turns out that this company&#8217;s managers were brilliant and fun and cool; my friend took the job and worked there for ten years.</p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m getting at is that, unfortunately for us, there may be no good quantitative or deterministic way to get a read on managers. As much as I hate to resort to gut instinct, there&#8217;s a lot to be said for it in this case. Every other method seems easy to fake.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where are the fast dynamic languages? by Carl Gay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin, in many ways it really sounds like you're describing Dylan (see my URL).  It was explicitly designed to bridge the gap between dynamic and static that you talk about.  Sadly, I can count the number of people actively working on it on one hand.

Hey, it's the interweb so who cares if I'm commenting almost two years late.
-Carl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, in many ways it really sounds like you&#8217;re describing Dylan (see my URL).  It was explicitly designed to bridge the gap between dynamic and static that you talk about.  Sadly, I can count the number of people actively working on it on one hand.</p>
<p>Hey, it&#8217;s the interweb so who cares if I&#8217;m commenting almost two years late.<br />
-Carl</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: Recruiters by Martin C. Martin &#187; Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: Locating Opportunities</title>
		<link>http://www.martincmartin.com/blog/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-1872</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin C. Martin &#187; Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: Locating Opportunities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] process, cutting edge work, or perks (massages and free snacks!), the job ad won&#8217;t tell you. Recruiters might help if you find a really good one that takes the time to understand what you&#8217;re [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Finding A Job You&#8217;ll Love: Recruiters by Maintenance Man</title>
		<link>http://www.martincmartin.com/blog/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-1820</link>
		<dc:creator>Maintenance Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure a used car salesman can sell you a car. But you will most likely get ripped off if you do not know what you are doing. You will also feel a bit slimy working with the used car salesman.

Recruiters are just the same. You know you can get a car with dealing with used car salesmen. Why not do the same and skip the recruiters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure a used car salesman can sell you a car. But you will most likely get ripped off if you do not know what you are doing. You will also feel a bit slimy working with the used car salesman.</p>
<p>Recruiters are just the same. You know you can get a car with dealing with used car salesmen. Why not do the same and skip the recruiters?</p>
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